Home › Forums › Fallout & Wasteland › Fallout 4 › I just finished Fallout 4 and I have questions about the Institute Discussion in ' Fallout 4 ' started by maximaz , Feb 23, 2018 . Perhaps they collect a sample of the target’s DNA prior to abduction/disposal to create the copy, then send the copy in to abduct/dispose of the original? Per Shaun’s abduction, it seems that the Institute needs DNA to create their gen 3 synths. By then I knew that Gen 3 Synths drop Synth Components and that seemed a reliable way to find out if someone was a Synth. I feel that the following cartoons summarizes the public attitude towards synths quite well: During the game, you will have the chance to meet various synths that have escaped from The Institute (such as those assisting the railroad), and those that have been turfed out (such as Nick Valentine). It is unclear if the Institute is able to passively collect data off of such individuals, or if they simply sit in rest until they are needed by the Institute. In essence, the Railroad frees the synth body, but not the mind. This is driving me nuts.. Im beggining to think the reason its hard to find out what the institute is doing is because many of its scientists have different veiws themselves on what the synths are for. Then again, VATS can be used to detect if any settlers within the player’s towns have been replaced by synths, by inspecting their energy resistance levels. One quest you have to help a synth keep his position, and he's there to test plant growth in the wasteland. Your email address will not be published. Somehow, his pure DNA was able to be used to create more perfect gen 3 synths. The Gen3 synths just happened to be lifelike enough to be able to infiltrate, which allowed the institute to track all the goings on up on the surface. If they are found by the Railroad, their memories are wiped and they are returned to the Commonwealth. As he opened fire, he showed no emotion. It's pretty much the only reason why I can't support the Institute 100% as it seems to make literally no sense as to why they felt the need to do that. He's just some average Joe who's about to be erased so his synth copy can take his place. Humans are a great detriment to the world, particularly in the Fallout universe where they destroy it, so why not replace our species with near perfect, peaceful synths? There's a terminal about how they mayor of diamond city is a synth, meant to help sway opinions and gather intel about the wasteland in general so their scientists don't have to actually hit the surface; but as you said, each person seems to have a different opinion on them. Nick has a very strong sense of right and wrong, with his memories/personality having been lifted from a pre-war policeman. Like why the hell would they want to replace the average wastelander to assert control? They are trying to find out when they have created the best synth that can fully replace a human being, or perhaps become the new human race entirely. ThisIsAKnoife 4 years ago #4 it's not explained very well, if at all. It does seem to be human nature to believe this. I really feel that if they hadn't been bodysnatching people, the Commonwealth might have been more receptive to their new scientist overlords. But no one will say why the synths are being built, or why they’re being made to be human replacements. It seems that people on this list are aware that they are synths, but there are also people (often unlisted) that may not be aware. I have no clue what their motto would be beyond, “Best Hope for Humanity”. There are no firm answers provided in the game. After Playing through all four possible endings, I have to admit there seems to be no reason to save The Institute. It can be assumed that the Institute either made an error in the timings of releasing the copy (i.e. The exact date of when the CPG massacre occurred is hazy, but perhaps it occurred after the Broken Mask incident. I've completed all four faction questlines and this is still a question I never got answered. Other players have suggested that perhaps it was done so that the Institute feels like less of a morally grey faction. Perhaps if a good reason was provided by them for replacing people, the player would have been more sympathetic to them rather than them seeing the Institute as the “bad guys”. Old Shaun's (Father) plan is probably revolves around replacing children with gen 3 or gen 4 synths. It seems to build paranoia among the people of Diamond City, and has even led to suspicions that he is in fact a synth. Fallout 4. Yeah, that's the impression I got. The use of humans out in the Commonwealth is a way for the Institute to keep tabs on the Synths they send on missions that require no attention, and those gone rogue that require SRB intervention. Why would they want the average wastelander like Art? Unaware of the true purpose of the Vault, Shaun and his parents became frozen in cryogenic suspension. very insightful! Personally, I still don’t 100% see them as the bad guys. Other players enjoyed the beautifully developed world, the excellent gunplay, and building crazy complex settlements to store their power armor. The Institute tried to help establish a government to maintain order and peace. So why is it that when the player encounters a replacement, they witness the human in the Commonwealth directly confronting their clone? The player has the option to become the leader of the Institute, and even doing so does not provide the player with more answers. Approximately six months following their internment, a revolt occurred and the staff abandoned Vault 111, leaving behind th… Eustace’s description suggests that there were more mechanical parts to Mr. Carter than just a singular Synth component, however. Perhaps if the Institute could replace the majority of the people (as seen in The World’s End movie), they could facilitate a sort of peace in the wastelands. Since they've teamed up with surface-dwellers before, they even developed a tech that allows extended life by combining synth components into an organic person. It is discovered that the Institute took Shaun as he was free from radiation, and the contamination seen in the Commonwealth. One synth has become quite high up in the chain of a gang of raiders, and the Institute is very keen to recover them. During the Great War, a number of CIT personnel survived by taking refuge in the underground level of the campus. The factions in Fallout 4 are arranged so that the most powerful factions are the most evil. Title. Come evening, he sat at the bar where Takahashi now sells his noodles, and ordered a drink. I can only hope that in the future expansions the story is wrapped up a bit better than it has been so far. Robert House attended it in his youth. And it isn’t as if there is a lack of nuclear material around, either. As the Institute keeps itself separate from the surface (apparently even cultivating and synthesizing their own food), perhaps they do not regularly ingest alcohol and so were not prepared for their synths to deal with the affects of it? Self-aware synth replacements, such as Mayor McDonough of Diamond City seems to actively report back to The Institute. That would take a ton of voice acting, though, so while a potential for a DLC, it really is another game in and of itself. Title. Sturges, one of the first NPCs encountered by the player, drops a synth component when being killed. The Institute seems to have no interest in recovering him, having wiped his memories of the Institute and set him free. Maybe low light and careful clothing allowed for him to pass as human? That would make a great DLC! The BoS wants to save humanity, but they are fascistic and want to … From speaking with Virgil/looking at his computer terminal within the Institute, it can be found that the Institute was testing the Forced Evolutionary Virus (FEV) on abducted people. One organization, The Institute, is full of superior technology and wishes to replace the world with a better version even … But, would there be any real way of taking a copy of their memories in the field? Fallout 4 > General Discussions > Topic Details. The thing with all factions in Fallout 4 is that each of them has a morally grey area while maintaining that they are doing the right thing. They are wiped and given new memories. By using synths, the institute hopes to drastically boost the standard of living for all humans that exist in that post-apocalyptic world. Either way, I am disappointed that the player is not provided with more information on the “why” of the Institute’s activities. Escaped gen 3 synths seem to generally either become recaptured, or find their way to the Railroad. So, why does the Institute do it? A synth such as Nick however, is seen as helpful by the people of the Commonwealth, despite him quite obviously being a synth. Broken Mask takes place 58 years before the year in which the game is set. - #141188707 added by captchakid at Fallout 4 If it was discovered by the people of the Commonwealth that the leader of a gang of raiders was a synth, there would be even more paranoia about the Institute. It seems that the matter of what actually happened at the CPG meeting is never properly addressed. The only place outside of the Institute that seems to be able to do manipulations of memories such as this is the Memory Den in Goodneighbor. The problem with space junk: What is the problem? You hear rumors in the Commonwealth, but lots of people are quick to say that it’s a myth. I would almost be on board with that – as long as it was a voluntary thing. This is an ersatz INTEL network and when coupled with the spying cameras the Institute has in the Commonwealth, allows for the identification, tracking and dealing with rogues. He states that it ended in bickering and infighting, and that it was a disaster. The culmination of over 200 years of unchecked research and development, the Institute is a technological marvel unlike anything seen on the surface of the Commonwealth2 and has been covertly exerting its influence and shaping it … What is their objective?! However, the synth components that they do contain seem like they would be detectable using methods such as x-ray technology. it's like they just lumped it in to ENSURE the institute is NOT actually a well written, morally grey faction. If someone was to walk in on the replacement taking place (as the player does), it is obvious what it taking place, much more so than if the synth appeared as, say, a raider. It seems odd to be so concerned about the body, when the existence/behavior of the synths prove that what is human is the mind. Perhaps the game writers deliberately did not make the recreation of such machines canonical, as it would have made it too easy for the players to detect synths within the wastes. The synth confirmed that they were a synth, and asked me to help them kill the other guy so that he could take over his life. MAIN FACTION QUESTS Synth Retention: Speak to Father, kill some Synths, get a room. It is known and feared for its ability to produce advanced synthetic humans (also known as synths) of high enough quality to pass as true humans. -FEV Lab in Bioscience in the Institute is the location for the 2 holotapes (they have the same name, but different info) 4. - Page 5. I really wish Bethesda would have made their mission statement more credible. To be creating full, biologically accurate copies of people, it seems that they would have to abduct people first to be able to create their copies. I would sorely like to recruit him to the Minutemen if he can be saved, and just give him a set of headphones made to keep ‘factory reset code’ as a silent translation so that he just can’t hear those words in that order. Perhaps the Institute did want the Commonwealth to form a government, and they did simply sent a synth to observe the proceedings and potentially help shape them as needed. The Institute is the most powerful and has undeniably done irreparable harm to the people of the commonwealth. These are based off a fallout 4 scrapped concept art, which can also be seen in the concept art book. Perhaps it was not a malfunction, and the shooting was intentional. I think it's a combination of spying on/having influence in the above world. The Institute is a place where science rules without the constraints of ethics, morality, or conscience. If you notice from within the institute there's a wall of CRT TV's that shows various hidden cameras all over the wastelands. Part 2 is harder, but Virgil points to the FEV used by the Institute as different than that seen in prior Fallout games: it can be created with a weakness for reverting individuals. Will synths be a slave labor class while all ten of the remaining humans sip mimosas? Fallout 4 > General Discussions > Topic Details. It appears that the Institute does occasionally recruit scientists, but that's about it; they seem far more interested in being isolated from the rest of the world. However, after Virgil’s escape, it seems that the FEV testing lab has fallen into disuse by the Institute. I recently started playing Fallout 4 again after a long string of playing modded New Vegas and this question started to bug me. Some have a clear purpose of acting as agents on the surface. Did they want to be the Commonwealth’s only shot at civilization, being the only ones to form/run a government? In some cases that makes sense, but in others it doesn't. Suddenly, the smile left his face and his cheek started twitching. Without warning he opened fire on the residents around him, in an event that has become known as the “Broken Mask”. they seem to be made of blood and flesh, like a regular human). Are the timings of these events a co-incidence, or was Mr. Carter a prototype gen 3 created using Shaun’s DNA? Generation 3 synths are indistinguishable from humans so they need food and living quarters just like humans. Gather samples, test new theories in plant growth, etc. Getting the Gen 3’s up to snuff where they can still be controlled is a hitching point with the Institute, and you can eavesdrop on such Synths inside the Institute already showing independent behavior. This synth murdered everyone in attendance. i had wondered these same questions myself , and also Sean (father) says that some synths escape and they don’t know why… did id miss a further explanation or did bethesda just not give us one? Do they intentionally release some synths? One synth has become quite high up in the chain of a gang of raiders, and the Institute is very keen to recover them. If a Courser can’t take down a rogue, then there is little that can be done as that rogue is either more capable than any Courser or has friends able to deal with them and are not worth further resources to go after them. People need to be more open minded about Fallout 4. I still can't figure out how replacing people with synths was supposed to help humanity as Institute standards. Perhaps synths like Nick are a form of “public relations” action being taken by the Institute? I would ask, how is this that different from what the Institute does? They have escaped just to be destroyed, only their body is able to potentially move forwards. Like that scientist they have you kidnap from the house with minutemen outside. It is entirely possible that Sturges is himself unaware that he is a synth. Surely he would have needed to wear some form of eye-wear to cover his glowing eyes, if he was a gen 2. Perhaps the timing of the Broken Mask is significant? The people/scientists who live in the institute are unwilling/unable to "survive" on the surface, so the synths were created to go check on the surface dwellers, forage for supplies, etc until a genetic solution could be created. I could understand high ranking officials and stuff, but even then, they always talk about wanting as little to do with the wasteland as possible and they seem more than capable at securing whatever they need with their armed forces. Perhaps the synth did not partake, perhaps it did. I personally would have liked to see more Nick-style gen 2 synths in the Commonwealth. Did the Institute attend the meeting with the intention of killing everyone in attendance? They are then implanted with fake benign memories, and turfed out in to the wastes to do as they please. Perhaps everyone should just get Pip-boys and VATS for detection purposes. Surely there are better people to replace within the BoS, such as Maxson himself? Their use of gen 3 synths as slaves seems to be a major cause of their bad reputation among the player base. You can also find on a terminal a list of people that are informants for the Institute, which I suspect means people that have been replaced by Synths. It would be illogical for the Institute to abduct someone, copy their memories/grow their synth copy, then return them to the Commonwealth so that they can then be removed by their copy. If you are a pre-war individual with any experience of pre-war tech, then you should have some understanding of how an x-ray machine works. From its humble roots in turn-based strategy on PC, to its modern-day status as a household name, Fallout boasts a quality that very few can deny.This standard of quality can be seen in the 2015 release, Fallout 4. Old hospitals seen throughout the Commonwealth appear to contain x-ray machines, alongside x-ray printouts. Perhaps the reason that some synths attempt to escape the Institute is because they believe that the former is better than the latter. Your email address will not be published. When his synth status is discovered, Elder Maxson orders that Danse be killed. The dialogue options in Fallout 4 seem a lot more limited than they have been in past games, and so the cynic in me feels that simply no-one bothered to tie up that loose end because the limited conversation mechanics didn’t really facilitate the player asking so many questions. Does this mean that the Railroad is providing more of an assisted suicide service for synths, rather than truly “freeing” them? For example, take Nick Valentine. The Institute is a legendary nation of scientists housed in an advanced subterranean metropolis under the ruins of the Commonwealth Institute of Technology. The Institute are the only faction who are truly evil since they intend to replace the human race with a race of slaves. Perhaps this was because all in attendance were killed (bar one synth, potentially). Face–Heel Turn: In Fallout 3, Dr. Li was opposed to even Elder Lyons' more benevolent methods. That tech prolonged his life, made him capable of things most humans could never achieve. It seems that the copy would absolutely need to be able to take a copy somehow to be able to fit in in the original’s place. Once you reach the Institute you see that the Gen 3 synths really are indistinguishable from humans. If they are caught by the Institute their memories are wiped, and they are returned to work. There is a terminal in the Bioscience sector that briefly discusses replacing a single person and that was the impression I got. I still can't figure out how replacing people with synths was supposed to help humanity as Institute standards. I use cookies to ensure you get the best experience out of my website. This is what the remains of the CIT building (with The Institute underneath) look like if you destroy The Institute during the main quest. It seems to me that the game developers wanted to absolutely confirm it in the player’s mind that the Institute does replace people with synths, and so decided to show the player a replacement without really considering the process that the Institute would be likely to use. Their reason to exist isn’t compelling enough. They were originally meant to be a tool, but beacuse of how advanced they are, and the proof of free will and even dreams, lots of opinions ahve changed on what the synths COULD be. In 2229 (some 60 years before the player visits Diamond City), Mr. Carter visited Diamond City. By Fallout 4, she's one of the leaders of the Institute despite the fact that they're doing a lot of things which are far worse than anything Lyons and his version of the BoS ever did. Instead of helping the human population, The Institute replaces them with synths and makes . A new person is created using the body as a vessel, and this new person goes on to act as they see fit. The Railroad and the BoS have good goals but are misguided and over zealous. You learn Nick’s story in the far Harbor DLC, where he’s revealed to be the brother of DiMA. But according to the quest in the Compound, phase 3 synths are indistinguishable from humans in every way, not just superficially. I’m not even sure they know why themselves. They say synths are the future...but of what? The long-term dealing with humanity is a two-fold operation and the first part is humanity winnowing and removal via FEV created beings like Super Mutants. If a representative from ever major settlement was sent, it seems that a large number of people were in attendance at the CPG meeting. Hi! I would love to wander the Wasteland as The Silver Shroud, righting wrongs and handing out justice to the wrong-doers. If you continue to use this site I'll assume that's ok with you. They want to be the saviors of humanity...but all the surface dwelling humans are "dirty" so I don't doubt that they could care less if everyone from the surface dies, so they can re-populate the earth with perfected people. To me, it seems that the “live replacement” witnessed by the player may have been somewhat in error. Still, it seems the the BoS is technologically on a level with the Enclave in Fallout 4, and so it seems bizarre that they would not be able to get an x-ray machine to work. The shape of this future civilization is largely colored by how the Institute's members live today. With the presence of Nick valentine in the commonwealth after the CPG (you learn this through some dialog with him as you improve his affinity) it is unlikely that there were any gen 3 synths were in existence at the time of the massacre as Nice seems to have been a prototype for a cognitively enhanced synth project- a prelude to the gen 3. If everyone in attendance did die, it seems that this would hamper the availability of the truth on what happened during the CPG massacre. As the “Broken mask” was an event involving a gen 3, cpg likely predated “Broken mask”. Perhaps part of the reason that the Institute wishes to recover such rogue synths but is happy to have Nick (and human-replacing synths) wandering the Commonwealth is because of their attitudes. This could lead some people in the Commonwealth to believe that not all synths are bad. True the Railroad technically gives the choice of having their memories wiped or not, but it seems to be a non-choice for the synths. This was a time before the fear of being replaced by a Synth had spread. What i got out of it was that the institute was bodysnatching to have subjects to perform FEV tests on in an effort to make a human capable of surviving the wasteland, however all they'd been creating is Super Mutants. It seems much easier to replace these key people with synths than it does to simply convince them to inform for you. Honestly though, I was suprised how small the institute was. Does this mean that there is some sort of in-between gen? It seems that people would not be very happy with this. She is able to enter Diamond City while wearing a full face mask to hide her appearance (as ghouls are not allowed in Diamond City). 2.5, perhaps? Just set up one Companion to be Madame Mystery…or put that as an alternate for an NPC like Magnolia (if you can tear her away from the stage…although she would be great on SS Radio come to think of it…calling Lynda Carter!) I imagine with a game as large as Fallout 4, the writing team had to be pretty big, and if they assigned certain people to do smaller, flavor pieces, they might have just had a very different interpretation, since the actual Institute in the quest doesn't seem to live up to the image that is otherwise presented in a lot of the side stuff. The use of infrared in facial detection/recognition systems, The use of infrared in facial detection/recognition systems – Vic Harkness, The art of defeating facial detection systems: Part one: General concepts. The Institute, despite its appearances of being a last bastion of technology and reason of the old world, is a place devoid of ethics. Seems kind of thin. The idea of the CPG was abandoned after this. The Institute wants to rebuild civilization. Jan 1, 2016 @ 4:31pm So... why does the Institute replace people with synths again? 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